Forums - Ruby Heart Show all 31 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Fighting Game Discussion (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=8) -- Ruby Heart (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=549) Posted by BlueMilk on 02:17:2001 09:51 PM: my friend was saying that Ruby Heart is not a character that should be used in competitive play cos she has too many bad matchups. just wanted to know what you guys think about her and if possible give some tips on how to play her. Posted by Dr. Deelite on 02:17:2001 09:58 PM: I like her a lot. She's fun. She has a minor glitch-like thing you can use to land the pirate ship super for free...if you sweep them, then do a short sublimation, and cancel that before the sublimation animates at all into the pirate ship super, it'll OTG them and the whole thing will hit, and they can't roll it. All you gotta do is sweep them. Should this work? No, but it does. Also, she can leave the screen. That's fun. Posted by BlueMilk on 02:17:2001 10:01 PM: quote: Originally posted by Dr. Deelite: Also, she can leave the screen. That's fun. what do u mean by that? Posted by Dr. Deelite on 02:17:2001 10:36 PM: Rubyheart has a glitch where she leaves the screen. It's great fun. Hold the start button, do her lp Swarzvalle, then hit lp again while holding left or right on the stick. She turns into a barrel or ghost and leaves the playing field. DO NOT hold down-right when you do this; that will freeze the game. And if you hold down-left, she warps back to the ground. It's kind of like the Gambit glitch, except that Rubyheart comes back after ten to fifteen seconds. Posted by phillip on 02:17:2001 11:46 PM: RubyHeart doesn't have the capability to be used as a tourney character. Mainly because she doesn't have much to exploit unlike Cable and all the other favorites. That's just the way it is http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/phillip_2.gif Click here to see my FAQs! Posted by Dr. Deelite on 02:17:2001 11:51 PM: quote: Originally posted by phillip: RubyHeart doesn't have the capability to be used as a tourney character. Mainly because she doesn't have much to exploit unlike Cable and all the other favorites. That's just the way it is Tell that to Viscant. Posted by Iceman on 02:18:2001 12:19 AM: quote: Originally posted by phillip: RubyHeart doesn't have the capability to be used as a tourney character. Mainly because she doesn't have much to exploit unlike Cable and all the other favorites. That's just the way it is I'll be the second to disagree with you. You CAN play some Ruby if you'd like in a tourney. She may not match up that well against say, Cable? But Ruby kicks Spiral's ass. That alone gives her some use. "...I'll string you up from a big ass tree, with a sign around your neck that says 'Whack MC'"--MC Hawking Posted by DrunkinB on 02:18:2001 04:07 AM: No matter what Ruby Heart is one of the best in the game once u get to know how to use her, she used be one of my best character. I wonder why I use to get jealous though when I used to see peeps using her long ago? http://www.geocities.com/to2008/DrukenBtag2.gif Posted by BlueMilk on 02:18:2001 09:01 AM: ok... any more tips for me? like is there any way to combo that ghost super of hers? Posted by AZER on 02:18:2001 09:08 AM: Be sure to download Viscant Ruby Heart in Action video. http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/azer.gif Posted by DrunkinB on 02:18:2001 09:15 AM: quote: Originally posted by BlueMilk: like is there any way to combo that ghost super of hers? I dont think their is any possible way to connect I never tried but maybe off a good projectile assist or just DHC it off any grabbin super like Spirals, Charlie, Wolvie, Rogue, Omega Red, Sabertooth, Felica and maybe some others cuz the character will be in stun mode when u DHC http://www.geocities.com/to2008/DrukenBtag2.gif Posted by Nate X Grey on 02:18:2001 08:05 PM: quote: Originally posted by BlueMilk: my friend was saying that Ruby Heart is not a character that should be used in competitive play cos she has too many bad matchups. Hmmm.... could that "friend" be... ME?! I still think Ruby Heart sucks. You definitely ain't gonna be wanting to play her around here. Viscant said Ruby's toughest match is against Cable and you KNOW how many goddamn Cable's there are around here... they outnumber my fingers about 10000:1. DefiNATEly NOT Cable... Posted by BlueMilk on 02:18:2001 08:16 PM: hehe.. that is why i have cable in my team. i will just switch out. btw can u link me with the thread in which viscant commented on his ruby heart strategies?? on that "friend" bit.. though i do not know u too well, i wasn't abt to put "one of the best player in singpore" in place of that 6 letter word [This message has been edited by BlueMilk (edited 02-18-2001).] Posted by King Of Naboo on 02:18:2001 09:00 PM: Is that Ruby Heart glitch allowed in tourneys? not the one where the games freezes, but the one where she eventually comes back. http://www.2ndsightconsulting.com/IIndS/Graphics/wannabeadminr.gif "After we battle, defeat will be your new best friend." Posted by DrunkinB on 02:18:2001 10:29 PM: quote: Originally post by King Of Naboo: Is that Ruby Heart glitch allowed in tourneys? not the one where the games freezes, but the one where she eventually comes back. I dont think it wont be allowed in the tourney cuz it will be slowing down game play cuz she doesnt come back for like 8-20secs at times, and in my tourney it wont b tolerated http://www.geocities.com/to2008/DrukenBtag2.gif Posted by phillip on 02:18:2001 10:32 PM: quote: Originally posted by Iceman: But Ruby kicks Spiral's ass. You've obviously never played a good Spiral player. http://www.geocities.com/dragonkahn/phillip_2.gif Click here to see my FAQs! Posted by TS on 02:19:2001 04:22 AM: First of all...everybody download the Viscant Ruby Heart video, before talking about how good she is. Secondly... quote: Originally posted by phillip: You've obviously never played a good Spiral player. Well, Spiral loses the ability to use her swords almost completley when facing Ruby. So tell me what you do that can beat a Ruby with Spiral. Name any assist you like. Posted by TS on 02:19:2001 04:25 AM: quote: Originally posted by BlueMilk: hehe.. that is why i have cable in my team. i will just switch out. btw can u link me with the thread in which viscant commented on his ruby heart strategies?? I think the main Ruby Heart strat is pretty much just Sublimation, call assist, d+roundhouse, Sublimation, repeat. That's what I do (BH AAA, Storm Gamma), and apparently that's what Viscant does with his Doom AAA. Again, I refer you to the video. Posted by BlueMilk on 02:19:2001 05:02 AM: why BH? his inferno does not do much chipping damage, and i think it will knock the opponent too far up for u to follow up with any kind of attack. Posted by Iceman on 02:19:2001 05:38 AM: Oh boy, the weakest comeback line when discussing the effectivness of characters. quote: Originally posted by phillip: You've obviously never played a good Spiral player. Problem, I AM ONE! TS just explained it, Ruby beats Spiral. Posted by Lupid on 02:19:2001 06:45 AM: Basic Ruby is just dash cr. RH + Assist (Doom-B is one of the best), sublimation repeat. If any part connects you get a free super and optional DHC. Her super bad matches are Strider and Cable, moreso Cable though. So just put her on a team with 2 people that work good vs Cable, like Storm/Doom. That's right, steal Viscant's team. Ruby works well with those 2 in general. She has some corner traps with the ghost and stuff but don't bother. Cr. RH + Doom is mindless and effective. Posted by TS on 02:20:2001 10:13 AM: quote: Originally posted by BlueMilk: why BH? his inferno does not do much chipping damage, and i think it will knock the opponent too far up for u to follow up with any kind of attack. It keeps them trapped, and limits their movement. More for trapping than for chip. Posted by OneOfMany on 02:20:2001 10:42 AM: Ah I downloaded viscants ruby heart vid and I don't think ANY of you guys have seen it. Viscant gets his ass kicked with ruby heart, then switches to storm and proceades to wipe the other guy out. Posted by TS on 02:20:2001 11:15 AM: quote: Originally posted by OneOfMany: Ah I downloaded viscants ruby heart vid and I don't think ANY of you guys have seen it. Viscant gets his ass kicked with ruby heart, then switches to storm and proceades to wipe the other guy out. Well let's see. Before Ruby DHCed out, she had 3 and a half levels, while Strider had 1 and 3/4... And Strider had 25% of his life left, while Ruby had maybe 15%. That doesn't qualify as Ruby getting her ass whopped, and Ruby did dominate for most of the matchup...she was only hit twice (leading into combos of course) while Strider was kept in his place for the majority of the matchup. Also, Strider got KOed. Ruby didn't. Posted by Viscant on 02:20:2001 02:14 PM: You can watch the video, but it doesn't tell the whole story. It's actually kind of funny because EVERY TIME that guy makes a mistake, he gets an advantage out of it. Opening melee, he doesn't block low, one of doom's rocks puts him right into an optimal position (one he SHOULD have had to work for) and he gets a combo. After I land, I set him up and do the standard stuff, he takes a hit and doesn't roll. OK, I go in, follow up, and Doom's rocks hit him odd (they don't normally do that) and he gets control. No big deal. Next, he misses an Ouroboros. Had he got the orbs, I would have killed him on the spot (red ball xx hailstorm before he can block), but the Ragnarok was something I didn't expect and for some reason I didn't think to do red ball until he crossed under. Then he gets the entire rest of his damage from Ouroboros series where apparently I wasn't in the corner. Oh well. Bottom line on that Ruby video is that he did nothing against her, but cleaned up the slop. Too bad the camera wasn't running during my matches at Folsom. Ruby/Storm/Doom dismantled a couple people, sticking one guy's Cable in the corner and draining him of around 60-70% before he figured out where to push. As for Ruby strategy, I think it's impossible to play her without Doom. Due to Doom's long repeating period, you can get ghosts into play and they're really the key for keeping more pressure on and getting much more chip damage. Also, Doom is good because you'll be using your low roundhouse an awful lot. If you do it from the right range (the sweep that I landed on that guy in the video is about right), when they roll, they'll roll into Doom and get stuck there. Then standard stuff follows; since they rolled into Doom's back instead of his front, it's almost like they rolled into a corner, and you can get off either one ghost or low rh, sublimation, low rh and reposition yourself. Side note on that...if you're in the corner yourself, it's the smarter move for them NOT to roll when they get hit by low rh. You can follow up with fierce/rh, but if they DO roll, you can follow up with the corner trap and that does more damage AND they get no meter out of it. You can also drop Doom and use her anchor as a way to keep airdashing Magneto/Storm characters off of you. The anchor will sail in one direction and Doom rocks will do the real damage...sort of like what Dhalsim does against them, but with a lot less risk to your body. I like putting Storm with her because of Ruby's red ball. Red ball comes out instantly but does no damage by itself. So you need Storm to give that move some damage. And also it helps her guard break game. Ruby will always be a starting character (she builds obscene amounts of meter) and after she kills one character, the next character is pretty much guaranteed to take damage. Jump jab then if they block, red ball. If they don't, red ball (but a little faster). Bring them up a bit, then give them to Storm. Easy and effective. Storm can run away with that lead that Ruby gave her and can use some of the meter that Ruby earned to chip with hail + Doom. I really like that team. I play it pretty often actually. Ruby has some struggles against flying Sentinel and against Cable/AAA, but other than that, she's very solid. --Jay Snyder Le Viscant Posted by CykoClops on 02:20:2001 02:15 PM: quote: Originally posted by Dr. Deelite: Tell that to Viscant. hehehe, his ruby heart didn't do much, without doom it probably wouldn't have done anything at all http://home.iprimus.com.au/dittmanshum/cykoclops.gif Posted by Nate X Grey on 02:20:2001 05:30 PM: quote: Originally posted by CykoClops: quote: Originally posted by Dr. Deelite: Tell that to Viscant. hehehe, his ruby heart didn't do much, without doom it probably wouldn't have done anything at all Strider without Doom wouldn't do anything. Sentinel without Blackheart wouldn't do anything. Blackheart without Cyke won't do anything bla bla bla... What are you saying...? DefiNATEly NOT Cable... Posted by BlueMilk on 02:20:2001 05:49 PM: wow.. so much strategies for a team i consider my fun team. hehe... thanks viscant.. nice writeup Posted by BlueMilk on 02:20:2001 05:57 PM: just a question when you manage to pin the opponent in the corner, do you just do that c.roundhouse->sublimation+rocks thingy? or do u periodically jump in on them to pin them down. Posted by Fraptree on 02:20:2001 06:20 PM: Nate X Grey.. Thanks for the Tips on the vsIceman/Blackheart Posted by tron on 02:21:2001 08:38 AM: quote: Originally posted by Nate X Grey: Strider without Doom wouldn't do anything. Sentinel without Blackheart wouldn't do anything. Blackheart without Cyke won't do anything bla bla bla... What are you saying...? DefiNATEly NOT Cable... The Strider who almost killed that Ruby Heart of Viscant had no Doom, and the player was way worse than viscant(you can see it when storm ruled the entire game) All times are GMT. The time now is 03:22 AM. 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